Discussion Panel

Discussion Panel

20th October 2017- Estrel Berlin


The discussion panel started with an introduction by PejmanAghasi, the introduction included thanking and welcomingthe participants and a brief description of architecture inAsia and Europe, then the question of the panel has been asked:

Part 1: How do you predict and hope the modernization of todays architecture and usage of new technologies

would shape the future development of our cities around the continents, how do you asses this transformation? Do you find it appropriate and positive? Do you have any suggestions to improve on the existing situation?

Nader Ardalan: I personally have been identifying what  are the timeless qualities within the bioclimatic culturalzones, and then asking myself, are these timeless qualities,closed conventions, or are they actually open systems with an essential core idea that can over period of time be used. We are really dealing with the contemporary expression of bioclimatic cultural zones of the earth. So I’m very interested in identifying some core perennial patterns that some of them do exist. But I’m interested in, are they closed, do they limit the creativity of the individual who latches onto these timeless qualities, or are they actually very positive in their creative that they give you a seed but then you can plan that seed in the soil and water it and it can give you a new bloom, because we really are in a state in which we need to survive and so there are certain

lessons towards sustainability that can give us from timeless perennial aspects of what has existed in history and then we can interpret some of these.

Eike Becker: actually the time we are in is the only time we can actually be in, so that is the only option that we have got. We can sometimes complain about how the world changes, but we only have the option to accept what we have got and to try to change that and that can on be done with scientific analysis, can only be done successfully with many different competences and participating as well as joining forces and then making something with all the creativity, with all the knowledge that we have that is better than it was before, that is not only our ambition, that is actually what we have to have in our agenda because if we don’t take it, we will not be able to influence it and we will get subject to others and that’s not what we want. We want to take our phase, our future in our own hands, and we can do that. That is possible.

Sergei Tchoban: I think we are becoming too global, so nearly every work could be built in any part of the world so if you go through exhibition you can not think clearly in which part of the world this was built or maybe was projectfor. So I think the very big challenge would be to create or develop the identity of every region with own building materials, with all own possibilities, to produce its materials to produce its methods, and to bring the technology to serve its identity, I think we should come nearer to the own identity of every region and to traditional materials, and maybe to create more modest but more sustainable. Shirish Beri: Yes, I think we need to sympathize and be attuned to the universal timeless values, timeless things like compassion, dignity, justice and peace. Which are common in all of the world, universal values, but they need to be applied to area specific context. so something like, which is a very cliché sentence is that, “ Think globally and act locally.” Then I would like to ask whether we can shift our emphasis from compartmentalization to holistic unity, from the measurable to the immeasurable, from sellable to sacred, and rather can we strike the right dynamic balance between all these,  I mean, I feel that if this can happen, a lot of things will fall in their place, spontaneously.  Waro  ishi : I showed two maps of the world in my lecture,

and actually the world is one world, but the map shows that the world looks different according to your point of view, and I explained about the china japan relationship from the 6th century.  So, the world is like that.  I helped you so now it’s your time to help me. Of course, the world is so wide, so the situation is so different, but all is according to you to help each other. Bahram Shirdel: I come from from a land with five or seven thousand years of experience in sustainability in architecture, Persia. I don’t really think that architecture is only about technology. Space according to technology always has to be a homogenous space, that is a space, which is suited for everybody. And a space that is suited for everybody means a space, which is not suited for nobody at all. We are in Berlin and Berlin is like a museum of architecture. And all of this is about heterogeneous space; it’s about space that queues for individuals. That provides for the life of the individuals.

Part 2: It is international events such as this that provide a very unique opportunity for the architects of these two great continents or other areas of the world to come together and share their experience and their professional expertise. So I want to ask you, how beneficial and useful you think these kind of events can be for architects from various regions, for our sake, Asia and Europe, to share their information and expertise for building a better living space in the respective continents. Nader Ardalan: I principally think that there were manyyoung architects who participated in this project, not because of the quality but because of the thinking process of the young generation. Just a quick comment: when we finished our jury and we looked at what had been selected,and it was sort of you know, enormous enthusiasm, a lot of commonality and discussion but when we finally looked at what we had picked, we said to each other, the future lies in the past. Building low-tech, and one of you wrote in your project you said, low-tech is the future high-tech, I truly

believe that’s what we learned that people were building things in the footsteps of their grandfathers that had worked,not that they imitated it, but in the scale of it, in the use of materials, in the way they approached human society,in the care of individual scale, so what I learned from this process is, to be honest with you, in this little Japanese riddle called Kwan, how can the future lie in the past. Eike Becker: well when people come together, they have to talk, of course, to understand each other, to learn from each other, as well, so actually I have some expectations for tonight as well, later on, when we actually come down to discussions and actually exchanging thoughts, so what would be interesting actually what can we learn from each other, in patience, high-tech, low-tech, I mean we live in a technological world whether we want it or not, that’s what we have to use and actually that’s what we want to use as well, I remember I wanted to build, first I had a building that was high-tech building, it was lots and lots of technology, intelligent, etc. . So from that point on, I tried really hard in every building to reduce technological aspect, to make it more natural, natural ventilation back again, etc. but still looking at all these buildings, they still had a lot of technology to integrate. Smart technology, intelligent building system,  etc. . So what we want is one thing, but what we have to do and the solutions that are offered is something completely different, so I’m very curious to learn about the issues that you’re tackling where you come from.Sergei Tchoban: I think such meetings are very important because we here chat, speak and hear very different views on the work of each other, I had the chance to begin to work a little bit in Iran last year and I was wondering how different and very interesting way of thinking is there and I think such meetings can help a lot for different people to understand another culture so I think it’s a great opportunity. Shirish Beri: Actually competitions like this are good learning experience for the participants as well as the jurors, when we discussed the result of the competition, we did find out that most of the entries were expressions of a society that is very commercial but winners, winners who we chose from this lot, had a very different way of thinking, had what Nader talked about, caring for the old values, values that are called the universal values, values which still exists, I mean if we design with sustainability and with these values and the local context in mind, they have come up with some very interesting solutions, and actually it would be very good for all the competitors too to go through winners. So for me, just reviewing all these entries also was a very interesting task, because I could think of the many possibilities in which the issue is the same. Waro Kishi: I think the most interesting and important point of this kind of event is that we could know the difference of each other, know the common point about the difference but the difference, for example, I’m a typical Japanese so I came here ten minutes before three but very few people were there, and actually in Japan we have several times, we have Kyoto time and I’m living in Kyoto and I have Kyoto time. In Kyoto 3’o clock means 3:10 or 3:15, but in Tokyo 3 is 3. I didn't know berlin time, so I was here 10 minutes before 3 but very few people, so that now for example this is a key to know the cultural differences, so I don’t know this is a berlin culture or what but there is difference so that's it.

Bahram Shirdel: I should agree with you in a tremendous way that difference is extremely important, difference in thinking, difference in architecture. Why do all architects wear black? So are we different? So if we talk about something, like we talk about difference, let’s mean it, are we really doing different things in different parts of the world? And that’s why I think is the value of an event like this, basically events that for the past three years, the 2a magazine has been organizing, I think it’s very valuable because these are the events that people and architects from different cultures can meet and exchange their ideas so maybe we should really do that and next time we meet, maybe we should wear our sustainable, local, cultural attire.

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